[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:06:47] <rdieter>	ok, KDE SIG meeting start: who's present today?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:07:00] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- Init".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:07:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present (sorta)...
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:07:16] <svahl>	present
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:07:23] <jreznik>	present
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:08:32] <rdieter>	ltinkl, than, kde*foo: ping
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:08:39] <ltinkl>	yup, here
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:08:49] <than>	present
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:08] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- kde-4.1.3 update".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:30] <rdieter>	ok, topic: kde-4.1.3 update.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:37] <ltinkl>	KDE 4.1.3 for F9 present in testing
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:45] <rdieter>	pushed already?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:49] <rdieter>	or just submitted?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:09:53] <ltinkl>	submitted
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:02] <than>	i think it's time to build KDE-4.1.3 in f10-update
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:07] <rdieter>	than: +1
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:31] <rdieter>	any volunteers to work on that?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:32] <than>	i will commit KDE-4.1.3 stuff in F10 today
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:35] <ltinkl>	(http://tinyurl.com/kde413f9)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:44] <svahl>	where will the bugfixes for kde-4.1.2 went then?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:10:54] <MathStuf>	i have kdelibs-* and ldebase-* 4.1.3 running here (grabbed from koji) fine
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:11:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	rdieter: 4.1.3 is queued for testing in the next push.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:11:07] <rdieter>	ok, shouldn't be hard, syncing with F-9 branch should be most of the work
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:11:35] <rdieter>	svahl: you mean you have a concern that recent fixes to 4.1.2 builds may get lost?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:11:59] <rdieter>	shouldn't be a problem, I *think* most/all of the recent ones were 4.1.3 backports/patches
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:12:15] <jreznik>	so no more updates to 4.1.2?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:12:18] <svahl>	yes. or do you setup a different branch in cvs?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:12:54] <rdieter>	jreznik: I'd say no, focus on 4.1.3 now (unless any serious F-10 blockers remain to be fixed)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:13:00] <than>	svahl: no, we uses the F10 branch for 4.1.3
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:14:31] <rdieter>	sounds like we have a plan to move forward with F-10/4.1.3, any other comments here?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:14:49] <svahl>	than: ok. so F-10 blockers could still be fixed?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:05] <jreznik>	when is 4.1.3 sheduled for F10? immediately after release?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:17] <rdieter>	jreznik: when it's ready. :) (ie, asap)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:39] <ltinkl>	rdieter: as an update or directly as part of the release?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:43] <rdieter>	update
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:46] <ltinkl>	k
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:15:58] <rdieter>	we decided that last week.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:16:36] <ltinkl>	things may change with delaying F10 but I'm fine with it :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:16:52] <rdieter>	ok, let's move on to next topic: desktop user guide, jreznik?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:05] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- desktop user guide".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:11] <jreznik>	first draft - based on desktop user guide
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:19] <jreznik>	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE/Docs/DesktopUserGuide
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:23] <ltinkl>	jreznik: available somewhere?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:17:43] <jreznik>	there is basic structure, now we have to write it :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:01] <jreznik>	even gnome desktop guide is for fc 6, so very outdated...
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:09] <ltinkl>	jreznik: how about reusing parts of the KDE docu itself:
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:22] <ltinkl>	should me more uptodate
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:44] <jreznik>	ltinkl: it's inspiration for me :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:18:48] <ltinkl>	:)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:19:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	For 4.1.3, IMHO a 0-day update is best.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:19:09] <Kevin_Kofler>	Let the F9 folks test it.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:19:18] <Kevin_Kofler>	Then push to stable for both on F10 release day.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:19:37] <than>	Kevin_Kofler: it's fine with me
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:20:39] <jreznik>	so rdieter and svahl volunteered few meetings ago and every help is welcomed... to have DUG on time for release
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:21:37] <rdieter>	ouch, so I did, how about we devide up who does what after meeting?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:21:45] <svahl>	+1
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:22:22] <jreznik>	no problem
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:23:09] <MathStuf>	i can get the rest of 4.1.3 as well (won't be there from 12-2 though, logs will run though)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:23:23] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- backports (systray, etc...)".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:23:41] <rdieter>	next topic: backports, systray in particular.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:24:03] <rdieter>	jreznik?  you were interested in this?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:24:28] <jreznik>	systray - I tried to build it with my patches but it's crashing with missing symbol... there are changes to plasma library
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:05] <jreznik>	even with patched one it was complaining...
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:17] <jreznik>	one new signal
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:23] <rdieter>	wait for 4.2 then?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:25] <jreznik>	and one new overloaded method
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:42] <rdieter>	or did you want to keep trying?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:42] <jreznik>	rdieter: yes, we should wait for 4.2
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:25:50] <rdieter>	ok
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:06] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- possible kde spin additions".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:11] <rdieter>	next topic: spin additions
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:21] <jreznik>	but still I'd like to try it... but I'm not sure... there are several problems with autohide backport so it's enough
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:34] <rdieter>	svahl: assuming we have any space? :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:26:56] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: Uh, what problems with autohide? I'm not aware of any...
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:09] <svahl>	yes, currently the spins are at 678 megs (i386) and 683 megs (x86_64)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:19] <rdieter>	I overheard folks on #fedora-devel yesterday contemplating a pygtk port of liveucb-creator to put on desktop/gnome spin, so I thought we could consider it for the kde spin.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:30] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: with virtual desktops...
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	We already have liveusb-creator on the current KDE spin!
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:27:44] <svahl>	rdieter: it's already on the spin :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:28:07] <svahl>	kushal has requested it some weeks ago
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:28:21] <rdieter>	oh?  nevermind. :)  I guess I was looking at it from the "making it default for kde-desktop in comps" pov.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:28:35] <rdieter>	liveusb-creator isn't in comps
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:29:13] <rdieter>	alright, let's move on then
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:29:57] <rdieter>	let's skip ahead to bugs, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469452
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:29:58] <buggbot>	Bug 469452: high, high, ---, than@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, akgegator crashs on startup with an imported feeds.opml
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:30:15] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- akregator crash (bug #469452)".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:30:33] <rdieter>	and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471022
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:30:34] <buggbot>	Bug 471022: low, medium, ---, jreznik@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, Can't hide akregator by clicking systray icon
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:30:54] <rdieter>	from what I can tell, these are both fixed in 4.1.3, so getting out the update should fix these for free.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:11] <Kevin_Kofler>	Hmmm, should we rush out a kdepim 4.1.2 with akregator from 4.1.3 patched in?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:14] <jreznik>	rdieter: 471022 is one liner, but fixed in 4.1.3
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:17] <Kevin_Kofler>	Should be low risk.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:20] <svahl>	according to upstream the first bug is fixed by upstream: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469452#c6
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:21] <buggbot>	Bug 469452: high, high, ---, than@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, akgegator crashs on startup with an imported feeds.opml
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:31:57] <rdieter>	jreznik: you did a patched build, yes?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:32:14] <jreznik>	rdieter: yes, it's working well
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:32:27] <jreznik>	if we want to use it, I can commit it
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:32:48] <rdieter>	oh, just a scratch build?  yes, commit, and we can get that tagged for f10-final
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:33:14] <rdieter>	fixing crashers is worth it
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:33:40] <ltinkl>	definitely
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:34:12] <jreznik>	just a scratch build to test it... so I can commit it... and we found another akregator bug, I have to look to KDE bugs for it...
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:34:42] <rdieter>	jreznik: the other one isn't critical, I wouldn't worry too much, unless the fix is trivial
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:35:50] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- upcomign events FUDCon11 (Jan 9-11), CampKDE (Jan 17-23)".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:36:02] <jreznik>	now I have only patch for second one - 471022, I can take a look to 469452 - it is crash... to push it together to f11-final
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:36:21] <rdieter>	jreznik: f10-final? :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:36:39] Betreten	racor hat den Kanal betreten (n=rc040203@HSI-KBW-078-043-127-065.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de).
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:36:57] <jreznik>	f10 :)))
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:37:00] <rdieter>	jreznik: my mistake, I thought you had the crasher fixed first.  ok.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:37:13] <rdieter>	next topic: upcoming events FUDCon11 (Jan 9-11), CampKDE (Jan 17-23)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:37:18] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- upcoming events FUDCon11 (Jan 9-11), CampKDE (Jan 17-23)".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:37:33] <rdieter>	anyone thinking of attending either of these?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:02] <rdieter>	I was guessing no, but felt obligated to ask. :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:05] <jreznik>	far, far away :(
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	Same here...
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:18] <svahl>	and here
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:20] <ltinkl>	yup, otherwise campkde in Jamaica sounds cool :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:46] <jreznik>	Jamaica sounds very cool!
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	jreznik: What do you think of my idea to use all of akregator from 4.1.3?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:38:59] <rdieter>	Don't think there's much chance of me doing both, and staying married... even one is a long-shot, but I'm willing to try for a beach.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:39:01] <Kevin_Kofler>	Should fix both bugs, unless they're in the libs.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:08] <jreznik>	Kevin_Kofler: hmm, but only if it is lib independent...
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:18] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-11-11 -- open discussion".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	But if you can figure out the fix from the crash bug, that's even better.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:31] <rdieter>	that's it for the agenda.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:39] <Kevin_Kofler>	s/from/for/
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:43] <svahl>	Kevin_Kofler: according to the websvn diffs, the changes are all in /kdepim/akregator/src
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:53] 	 * nirik has a quick thing to toss in if it's open floor time.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:40:55] <jreznik>	may break more than actually solves... but I'll try it tomorrow
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:41:31] <rdieter>	nirik: go ahead.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:42:00] <nirik>	As some of you may know, we have started offering IRC classes on various topics... see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Classroom. If there are any KDE folks who want to give KDE related classes that would be great! :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:42:59] <jreznik>	another one conference - LinuxAlt, took place last weekend here in Brno and rvokal was talking about Fedora 10 - we were mentioned and there was screencast of solar-kde-theme :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:43:01] <rdieter>	nirik: I've been thinking about doing just that myself... maybe once the excitement leading up to f10 wears down, can find some more time.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:43:11] <jreznik>	nirik: sounds good
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:43:39] <nirik>	great, Just thought I would throw it out there... kde4 for kde3 users, or tour of new kde features type things might be most welcome.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:45:00] <nirik>	thats all, just thought I would mention it. ;) carry on.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:45:12] <rdieter>	nirik: so just add a session to an open slot in the wiki?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:45:26] <nirik>	yep. On whatever topic you care to teach.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:46:09] <rdieter>	awesome idea, the classroom thing... by the way.  I've poked in on a couple, seems to be quite popular and productive.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:46:34] <jreznik>	how to drink beer! it's class for me ;)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:46:56] 	 * rdieter pencils in jreznik for ... what time works best? :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:46:57] <nirik>	jreznik: I could do one on how to make beer, but I don't guess it's too fedora related. ;)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:50:43] <Kevin_Kofler>	I have also thought that a KDE 4 for KDE 3 users session can be useful when I read the blog posts about the IRC classes.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:51:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	But I think somebody with more KDE 4 experience than me will be a better teacher. :-)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:51:20] <rdieter>	heck, holding something like that, esp with >1 of us kde-sig'ers there at a time should be easy
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:51:22] <Kevin_Kofler>	I just recently upgraded my primary machine to KDE 4.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:51:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	Having several of us hold it together would work well, I think.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:52:46] <jreznik>	and would be nice to broadcast VNC with KDE desktop
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:52:56] <rdieter>	ok, next sessions or Dec 6,7, any times work better for folks here?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:53:11] <rdieter>	I could probably do almost any of those.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:53:33] <rdieter>	open slots include: 12:15 UTC, 13:30 UTC, 14:45 UTC
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:53:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	Oh, and jreznik, if you can get those autohide problems reported to me, that would be helpful.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:54:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	The virtual desktop issues I was aware of were reported fixed with the current builds.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:54:05] <rdieter>	Dec 6, 7 = Sat, Sun by the way
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:54:23] 	 * ltinkl looks at jreznik and Kevin_Kofler, remembering FUDcon joint presentation :))
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:54:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	Saturday and Sunday should be fine all day.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:55:27] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, maybe pick the 14:45 UTC slot, I'm more likely to be awake later than earlier. ^^
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:55:38] <jreznik>	:)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:55:55] <rdieter>	14:45 Sat  then?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:56:20] <jreznik>	ltinkl: joint? we were smoking weeds? :) I don't remember :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:56:25] <Kevin_Kofler>	LOL
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:56:28] <jreznik>	rdieter: ok for me
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:56:30] <ltinkl>	ehm :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:00] <rdieter>	alright, so who's planning on being there?  Kevin_Kofler , me (probably), anyone else?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:10] <rdieter>	jreznik: you too?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:27] <ltinkl>	rdieter: I can stop by if time permits
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:38] <rdieter>	cool, more the merrier
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:47] 	 * jreznik too
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:57:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'll be there. (Hopefully I won't forget. :-) )
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:00] <jreznik>	yes, I need some notification :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:18] <rdieter>	title: "KDE4 for KDE3 users" sound ok?
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:36] <jreznik>	and I hope it will be class for more people than Kevin_Kofler :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:45] <ltinkl>	:))
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:58:59] <ltinkl>	than and Kevin_Kofler, that's too :p
[Di Nov 11 2008] [17:59:32] <ltinkl>	two even :)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:12] <jreznik>	:)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:28] <rdieter>	ok, session added.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:41] <rdieter>	times up anyway, so let's wrap up for today.  thanks everyone.
[Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:44] <rdieter>	KDE SIG meeting end
[Di Nov 11 2008] [18:01:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	rdieter: Title OK. :-)
[Di Nov 11 2008] [18:02:10] Thema	rdieter setzt das Kanalthema auf "Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule".
[Di Nov 11 2008] [18:02:26] <rdieter>	if attendance is low, we'll have to come up with a sexier title next time
[Di Nov 11 2008] [18:02:59] <jreznik>	rdieter: +1
[Di Nov 11 2008] [18:03:09] <jreznik>	KDE for playboys :)